Zoom Meeting
Mon, 30 Sept 2024
0:01 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to this latest episode of Frazzled, the podcast. With me, your host, Kelly Swingler. Today, I'm gonna talk about fairness. And I think within that, there's like fairness, I think there's values, there's morals, there's ethics, there's relationships. I think there's potentially a whole heap of stuff that we can get into today, but primarily, are talking about fairness and how sometimes like a lack of fairness, how we feel about fairness, right? How this can impact our mental wellbeing, our energy levels, our stress levels, our moral compass, all of those things. So I think we'll get into that today. I'm gonna say thank you of you that have joined again. Can you believe it's the first of October? First of October for this one. I mean it kind of feels like yesterday that I took August off and I was recording the episode where I was talking to you all about taking August off and what I would be doing throughout September and we're here. It's like September has like gone in a heartbeat. It's just like you literally gone in a heartbeat.
1:27 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 2
So I guess happy October, right? Happy October.
1:33 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
Lovely to see you all. I've just realized I don't have my focus on, so let's get that on.
1:38 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 2
If you are new here or if you're not, just a reminder, right? We are unscripted, uncut, unedited.
1:46 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
We have no fancy sponsors. We have no fancy lighting, no fancy tech, no fancy equipment, no fancy production. It's me and you. Right, it's me and you having a chat. So for those of you that have, I suppose, been with me all the way through season one, those of you that are new and have come back to season two, or whether you are a first time listener, hi. It's so lovely to have you here.
2:11 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 2
I've had, I've kind of teased a few of you, all of you, right?
2:16 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
I've teased you a little bit over the last few weeks saying that there might be a point at some point soon that I will be able to get my partner Mick to come on an episode with me. He's nearly there. He's asked me to prep him some questions in advance, give him some questions in advance, so that he can get his head around some of those answers. And you know, for me, it's like, we're unscripted and unedited. But I think, potentially, we could definitely give you an conversation. If we can do that live and whole, then I think it should be a good conversation. So I think I've got him now. As soon as I've got the questions done, maybe we'll pin him down to a date. But yeah, October. Frazzled, uncut, unedited, unscripted. Here we are.
3:16 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
like maybe start with a breath today. I feel like we need to start with a breath. Can we do that today? My chair's a little bit creaky as well, isn't it? But like maybe let's, I don't know, just like a ride in the space together, all right? Let's maybe, we need a little bit of a head roll, a little bit of a neck roll, a little bit of a shoulder roll.
3:39 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
Just take a breath, right? I've been talking about this a lot, haven't I? Can I bring this forward a little bit with that message?
3:46 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 2
but like this collective breath that I think we all need. So maybe let's just like, let's have one, right?
3:55 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
Put your hands where you want them, on your shoulders, on your head, on your chest, on your belly, on your lap, wherever you want them. Let's just literally, right, let's share, share the space together, open the space together with a breath. Inhale, exhale through the nose. In fact, let's do three. I think we need to do three. Let's have a collective pause. As we start a new month together. Let's go.
4:46 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
So okay let's get into today. I mentioned to you a few weeks ago I think that we were talking about values right and I was like I'm not sure if this particular kind of value of mine is around fairness or equality or justice or belonging or inclusion or what is it and I still like I still haven't quite figured that out yet but But I do think this is something that is largely ingrained in me. I think it has been there since I was born. And I think I still want to talk about it in terms of fairness. But I'm still not 100% convinced that that's actually what the word is. Maybe I do need to do some work on that over the next few years. But let's talk about some examples from over the last couple So firstly, I was away last week. I was looking forward to a couple of nights away. My designer that's done all of my design work, all of my brand work, Kayleigh, was hosting her first celebration of women, right? Her first celebration of women coming together. She'd organized it as a non-profit event. She had done so much amazing stuff. Itself was awesome. I think a few months after kind of announcing that this is, that this evening was going to be started, it was then announced also that it would be an awards evening and I just, I hate awards evenings. I, again, I think some of this might stem from my like corporate days I used to do I used to give a lot of presentations for awards. I've been judges on lots of awards. I love the glitz and the glamour of it. I love celebrating people. But I do also think there is something, we're not comparing like for like, And I'm all for collaboration over competition. I would love that we all, all celebrated each other and lifted each other up and found a way to do that in a really, really incredible, incredible space. I think when we start talking about winners or we start saying that, you know, somebody's better than somebody else. And I, you know, I don't believe, I'm not saying that what's happening in a lot of schools at the moment, right? Everybody gets a participation award. I get that there is competition in life, right? Every time we go for a there is competition. Every time we enter a race, there is competition. But I just think as I've gotten older, and I think more so actually, it's nothing to do with age, I think it's since I've been in business, I have watched other business owners in similar fields to me or doing similar work to me that have automatically assumed that we must therefore be in competition with each other. And I really don't see business as competition. I know, got hair in my eye now. I know that like my clients come to me for me and the way that I do work. I know that some clients will go to others for the way in which they do work.
8:22 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 2
I have an amazing, I don't know, support squad.
8:27 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
I have an amazing, what's BrenƩ Brown call it? Like those people that you can put in there that you know have got your back. And I'm referring people to people all of the time. I recognise that we all do things differently, and different doesn't always mean better, and better doesn't always mean different, right? But I do have this sort of thing. So I think initially when I saw that it had been, like it was an awards, did sink a little bit because I wasn't going, like I don't enter awards, I don't, again it's not like I have done in the past, but for me they all just feel a bit ick and I think when we're looking at judges which are typically one person or you know two or three people that will have different views, that will have faith already, that will have preferences already, I think this is where some of this ties into my values, like the process itself doesn't seem fair in order to then decide on an outcome.
9:42 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 2
Which again feels really weird, it's like whenever I see my friends have like won awards or celebrated, like I want to celebrate them, like I'm really, really proud of them.
9:50 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
I think what made last week's award even even more a bit ick for me, was that one of my very, very close friends and I had then been pitched in the same category as each other. And to me, that didn't feel like either. That did feel like rather, sorry, my phone's going, this is what we say, unscripted and edited. But it also just felt that then we were being compared to one another. And actually there is no comparison when it comes to us. Comes to the two of us. We're very, very different people. We do very, very different things, but we do both bring ourselves to the work that we do, right? We bring ourselves every day. We show up as we are. And so that also didn't feel right. I'm very, very proud of my friend. She won the category. She won the award. And I love that for her. But it did still also feel a bit ick. And the whole process, regardless of the win, as I said, I'm super, super proud of her. I'm super proud of what she did.
10:58 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 2
But for me, there is this thing about fairness.
11:02 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
And again, I say this, having been a judge, having been nominated for awards, and having been selected on some of these best lists but I also think we see particularly on social media and if you're on LinkedIn you will likely have seen over the last kind of few months that lots of people are being awarded these like top voice badges and I think I'd been told months ago that actually they were only being awarded because people who I don't know if you if you're on LinkedIn, but you might have found on your feed, it would have said like, can you answer this question? And people then went on to answer a question. Well, if you'd answered three of those questions, you were then getting one of these top voice badges. And it then came to light last week, or I think the week before, where, but like you, they're ditching them, LinkedIn are now ditching these top voices, but you could have put anything. It didn't have to be a topic or a subject You could have typed an AI answer. You could have typed something completely random. Like you could have typed the alphabet in there. And if you'd have done that three times you would have been awarded a top voice badge. And so like, what's the criteria when particularly with the way in which the world is at the moment, we're busy. We are looking for quick wins. We're looking for people that like we want to see as credible. And actually I think what we're seeing a lot more of is this total inauthenticity whereby people can just get a top voice badge and seemingly elevate themselves amongst peers, amongst colleagues, amongst others in their field for a process that actually isn't not a fair playing ground. Like we're not starting from a fair place. The fact that it's not, it's not quantified, there's no sense checking, there's no fact checking, there's no anything, it's just I'm a top voice. And then it all of a sudden elevates you. When I see like the world's number one coach on, and I think like, where did you get that from
13:26 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 2
I won it at an award.
13:29 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
Did every coach in the world enter this? Of course they didn't. It was probably a small business network somewhere that thought, let's go and host these awards and this is where we go with it. I think they have their place. They can be great for credibility. They can be great for celebrating. They can be great for all of these things.
13:52 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 2
But where is the ethics?
13:57 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
Where is the equal footing for everybody? How do you stop things becoming more about how many times you post rather than the value or the credibility of what you're posting? How can you ensure that these things don't become favourites voting for favourites? One of the things that that I find really, really tedious when it comes to, are these ones where you have to then go out and get votes, right? So Kelly, we've nominated you for this award and now you need to go and get votes in from like everybody that you know. Let's say I'm new to business, I've been nominated and I don't know, maybe I've only worked with five clients and all of those clients vote to say, yes, Kelly's brilliant. But if I'm in the same category as somebody that's maybe been in business for 10 years of clients, the votes are going to be very different. This is where follower count, you may never have worked with me. You may not know anything about my values or my ethics or my morals, but if I would, could somebody just tick this box for me and vote? And then people go on to vote. It doesn't say that I'm credible. It doesn't say that I do the job. It doesn't say that I have values or morals. Morals or ethics. I think this is something that I have been struggling with my entire life. This whole kind of morals and ethics thing was really lacking when I was in the corporate world. This is one of the things that definitely contributed to my burnout with the lack of morals and the lack of ethics We were wasting, in some cases, millions of pounds. And it was just, well, it's part of a contract, don't worry about it. How can you not worry about wasting millions of pounds? How can you not worry about paying an organization millions of pounds for something they haven't even done? Your internal teams that you already pay a salary to were doing this work, and yet we're paying this external, because it's part of their contract. Like the contract wasn't right in the first place and they shouldn't be being paid for something they've never had anything to do with. And I think, you know, it's, I think when we start to have this conversation, it can be a bit like Pandora's box. The more you see things, like the more your eyes are opened up to more and more things. And I think for me, when I see things like, again, I'm very lucky in that, like my, you know, circle, the people that I have around me, my family, my friends, my very, very close business associates, kind of in this circle, we have, you know, shared values. We might not necessarily call them the same things, but we have shared values. We have a very similar moral compass. We have very similar ethics.
17:03 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
And I think when it's at odds with that, and again, I think the more, the more work sometimes that we do on ourselves we have to because we're told right everything that like everything that goes on in the world right is a mirror of us right so sometimes I see these disconnect okay like what do I need to learn from this again that's what we're told right as we start to do some of this personal development stuff like everything we see is a reflection of how we see the world right that's that's what we get told repeatedly the more of this internal that we do, the more of this deep work that we do. So then I thought, okay, right, what is this teaching? What is this mirroring for me? What's coming up in me as something that I need to deal with? And I'm now at the point where it's just, I don't need to waste my time in this process. Like it's safe for me to walk away. Again, I think that's like, that's some of the boundaries. Like previously, and I did, I've spoken to you many times about my burnout journey. I could see the level of toxicity that was going on within this organization. And still I kept, I stayed and I kept pushing and I kept it like, I kept thinking that I then needed to be the one to change it, right? I needed to be the one that could make the difference. I needed to be the one that could turn it around. And actually, I do not need to stay in those situations anymore. I can say enough is enough. And I can end it amicably. I can end it amicably, that's twice. I didn't put it on silent last time, apologies everybody. But I can, like I want to end, I don't, like you and I don't need to get into a disagreement.
18:59 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 2
If we have have a different moral compass, if we have different values, if we have different views, that's okay.
19:06 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
We don't all need to be alike. I think the world would be a really, really boring place if every single one of us was the same, right? And if every single one of us saw the world through the same lens and the same eyes, and we didn't allow for differences. But I think what I'm learning more and more is actually kind of owning that ending of that thing. Like I can end a conversation and I can walk away. I can end a relationship and I can walk away. I can end a project and I can walk away.
19:51 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
And that's not always an easy thing. Thing to do. I think sometimes and in a lot of cases it takes more courage to say like this is not the right situation for me to be in, this is not the right people, the right conversation, this is not the right mood, this is not the right place. It takes a lot for us to be able to say that and I don't know if I shared this with you in any of the over the last few weeks. So apologies if this is a bit of repetition. But I go for a facial and a massage once a month. And I've started, I used to have just like a lovely relaxing hot stones massage. And I've started to go for these quite severe deep tissue massages. And I was in this deep tissue massage only a few weeks ago. I'm laying on the bed and the pressure was hard, right? She's probably going for it like with her elbows and arms. And everything as we're kind of doing, you know, and she was checking, right, is that pressure okay? Yeah, it's absolutely fine. And as she started on my legs, like the pain was unbearable, right, unbearable, and I could feel myself tensing, right, I'm laying on this bed kind of flat down, you know, as you do like with your head in the hole, right, and my jaw was clenching, and I could feel my shoulders coming up to my ears, and I could feel everything tensing as as this pain in my legs got more and more and more intense. And as I'm laying there, there was just something, it's like, I can say this is hurting. Right, I can say this is hurting. And so I said to her, that's actually starting to get quite painful. She's like, really sorry, it just felt a bit more tense.
21:36 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 2
Like, I'll ease off, is that okay? And then she checked with me again.
21:38 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
And we carried on and the rest of it was absolutely fine. But how often Do we find ourselves in those kinds of situations, right? Where there's this misalignment of morals or ethics or values or energy or just like personality, right? Whatever it is that tells us this is not a place that I want to be. How often do we stay in those situations for the sake of the other person? How often have you laid on a massage bed whilst the pain has been unbearable?
22:16 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 2
I don't want to upset my masseuse.
22:19 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
The massage that you are paying for with your hard-earned money, it's your body, but you don't want to say anything because you don't want to upset the person that's being paid to do their job. How often have you stayed in relationships because you don't want to upset the other person? How long have you stayed in jobs because you don't want to upset your employer or your manager? Stayed in friendships because you've not wanted to upset that friend? How often have you stayed in contracts because you've signed a piece of paper even though it's become untenable because you don't want to upset that person and you keep on paying because you don't want to upset that other person? You're not getting what you need, you're not getting what you paid for but you continue to pay anyway. How often have you gone to restaurants and not enjoyed the meal but still like smiled at the end and like, oh, I feel really bad if I don't leave a tip, right? And I'm not saying that any of this stuff, it doesn't have to come from a place of hate or hurt or hatred, but I do think more of us, what I'm seeing more and more is more of us are like adding to our own feelings of stress and being frazzled and all that for the worry about what others will then think. What will others think of me? What will others then think of themselves? What if I upset the person? We can say with kindness, I'm really sorry. I don't want to be involved in this situation. I'm really sorry. This event isn't for me. I'm really sorry. I didn't enjoy the meal. It wasn't to my liking. It wasn't Like I'm really sorry, this friendship or this contract or this relationship or this whatever, it feels really one way. And it doesn't always mean that it has to be the end of anything. Sometimes it can be the start of something because we can voice our opinions, we can voice what we need and it can be the start of a change that could then end up being the best thing that we've ever experienced.
24:28 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 2
But I know for a lot of us, we're seeing things that aren't right.
24:34 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
We're seeing things that are misaligned to our own values, our own morals, our own ethics. And we're shouldering all of that. And we're then adding to our own stress. And then all of a sudden we think we've got to carry the burden of that thing over there. We then think that's ours to hold onto, right? It's our responsibility to hold onto. It's our responsibility to bear, like it's our weight to bear because we don't want to upset that other person. We don't want to rock the boat.
25:05 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
And I think actually what we need to be doing is we need, this doesn't sit with me. And I say that it can be the start because I think for a lot of us, particularly still with a lot of people that I work with in corporate, is that we've never, like we've never been, we've never felt that we had permission to voice what didn't feel right. We've never felt safe enough to voice what doesn't feel right. We've never felt able to say, actually this doesn't fit with my values or my energy or my morals or my ethics or my life, right? This is just not aligned to where I am. And we've all been told to just like keep on going. I'm going to sneeze. Excuse me. Unedited, unscripted. There we go, everybody. But it's almost like we're waiting for somebody else to give us permission. Or because so many of us have been told that in asking for what we want or setting our own boundaries, that means that if I say this is what I want, somehow we've understood that as if I can have
26:25 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 2
what I want, you can't have what you want.
26:28 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
And therefore that's selfish and that's not how we should be doing things. But actually, what if I can say, this feels really unfair, this is what I need from this situation. And then the other person says, actually, this is what I need. And then we come to a mutually, and mutual agreement.
26:52 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
I think we've all continued to be told that like, it has to be about competition. In order for me to be able to thrive in my business, somehow it means I've got to take from somebody else. And that's just not the case. I can thrive in my business and others can thrive in theirs. You can thrive in your career and others can thrive in theirs. Now, I'm not, you know, 10 CEO roles within the organisation, right?
27:18 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 2
If you're all wanting to climb to the top, there is one CEO position.
27:25 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
But that doesn't mean that on the way to that one role that we have to be stepping on each other. We can keep a moral compass and still progress and develop. We can live without treading on others. We can end relationships and employment and contracts. We can do all of that stuff in an amicable way, in a way that is energetically right for all of us, in a way that is morally right for all of us. And if we're gonna be, well, I'm gonna kind of dangle this contract over you as a way, to keep you small or to keep you quiet or to keep you pale. Contracts are there for a reason, of course, and they're there to protect everybody. But if a situation has become untenable, threatening somebody with that signed piece of paper is not how to end a relationship amicably.
28:34 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
Putting anybody against each other with an impartial person overseeing, you know, who wins and who loses. Again, it doesn't feel like a very, it's not a particularly fair process. Saying, having to say to it like it's better than, you can be totally different. Like how, like it's against, and sometimes, right, it's like comparing apples with pears. There's no way around it, right?
29:12 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 2
If we're comparing like for like, then of course we could say there is a, you know, like if we're comparing, I don't know, two wines, right?
29:20 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
Or two drinks or two teas or whatever. Actually, I prefer that one over that one. I think when it comes to people, we are all different. And in saying that, is any worse than anybody else's difference, or somebody else's difference is worse than mine. We've got to be getting better at recognizing that difference is difference. And for those of us that find ourselves really struggling, stressing ourselves out, getting worried about, being concerned about, stressing about, becoming frazzled about, all of those things if we see some of those things we can remove ourselves from those situations and those conversations and those events and those relationships and those contracts and whatever else that looks like,
30:17 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
If somebody really wants to squash you or quash you or try to make you less than or say that you're less than or try to beat you with a piece of paper You can say, that's not for me. I keep coming back to, I've come back to this so, so many times. I still talk about this in the Burnout Club all of the time, but these circles of control, right? We have a little circle in the middle. This is you, right? This is the stuff that you can control. And all that's in there is you. We then have this kind of middle circle. This is stuff that you can influence. But not control. And then we have the outer circle, that stuff that we cannot control or influence. I cannot control or influence anybody's behavior, thoughts, actions, or anything from this outer circle, can't do it.
31:11 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 2
May be able to influence.
31:14 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
And actually, as long as I stay true to myself and I know that my values are intact, then I can try and influence in a particular way. But if I'm not going to be able to move a decision, that's fine. I can control me. I can control how I voice things. I can control how I talk about things.
31:34 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 2
I can control how I feel about things.
31:39 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
But if something feels unfair, unjust, immoral, unethical, I'm not going to stay in that situation.
31:51 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
And you don't have to either.
31:55 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 2
It is, we need to create the safety.
31:59 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
Other people, if we kind of put our views out there, other people may not see those things as good. But then again, they can hurt Right, what is this reflecting in me? What is this mirroring in me? And if you just actually, it's just time to call it quits. But let's call it quits, we can do so amicably. It doesn't mean that we all have to end up as best friends at the end.
32:28 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 2
But we can end it amicably.
32:32 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
You can say this was my moral compass, my values, this is what's important to me. And actually, if you stay true to that, that's okay. And if the other person feels they've stayed true to their values and morals and ethics, that's okay. We find a happy ground, we shake hands, we say sorry it didn't work out and we go. If we're being told we're less than, as long as you know that you are whole as you are and you know that difference doesn't mean better, you can stand tall, right? You can focus on that inner circle. You can say, this is me, this is what I'm doing. But too many of us at the moment, and because we're already running on empty, right? Because our stress levels are already so full, we are falling into the trap of staying in situations that aren't working for us. We're then stressing about all of the things that we cannot have, control over whatsoever. We're stressing too much about the values and morals and ethics of other people, and we've got to keep bringing it back. Are you happy with your decisions, your values, your morals, your ethics, your fairness, your justice, your equality, whatever it is that you want to want to call it? If you can hand on heart say, yeah, I handled that really well, or actually I could have done that slightly differently. But everything else still stands, maybe there is a bit of learning for you, maybe there is something that you could adjust, maybe there is something that you could tweak, but ultimately, have you stayed true to yourself?
34:13 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 2
And if the answer to that is yes, there is nothing to feel frazzled or stressed or worried about. I think the more of us that can stand in our own energy and say, actually, I made the right call, I did what was right for me, or for my team, or for my family, or for my friend, or for my finances, or for my home, whatever it may be, if you can honestly hand on heart say, I did what was right, we don't need to keep stressing.
34:49 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
But a lot of us are stressing about things that are totally out of our control. A lot of us are stressing about things that are unfair. All I can do is ensure that my actions are fair. All you can do is ensure exactly the same thing.
35:12 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
There is a lot of unfairness at the moment, there is a lot of competition at the moment, there's a lot of stress, there's a lot of panic, there's a lot of worry. If any of that is causing you to feel less than, or causing you to be frazzled then actually what is it what's it holding up for you right is it is it showing you something in a mirror that you have to go oh my god yeah I need to fix that in myself or is it holding something up for you to say do you know what it's safe for me to walk away there we go is fairness or unfairness leaving you feeling a bit frazzled How can you get back to yourself?
35:53 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 2
How can you stand true in what you believe, what you do, what you're doing?
35:57 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
How can you bring it right back to that center of control, just to you, your life, your values, your morals, your ethics? I will be back with you next Tuesday at 7 a.m. For our second podcast of October. We'll simply do a kind of end of year countdown, won't we? It's quite scary, but here we go.
36:22 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 2
We are in quarter four, right?
36:24 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
It is a kind of rundown to the end of this year. So I'll be back with you next Tuesday, 7 a.m. For now. Go and have an amazing week. If you are finding that you are feeling much more frazzled, particularly if you're finding yourself questioning more and more of what's fair, what's right, but being unable to stop. And if you are literally in the head space of, I've just got to get through to Christmas. I'd really, really love for you to come join us in the Burnout Club. Head to kellyswengler.com.
36:56 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 2
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36:58 - Conference Room (Kelly Swingler) - Speaker 1
Come join us in there, two weeks. If you like us, stay. If you don't, no questions asked. But if you're finding that, maybe the coaching could be a great help for you in there. I will see you next Tuesday at seven. For now, go and have an amazing rest of your day, a fabulous week.
